Comments on: when revolutions become cool http://jonathanperrodin.com/2009/11/when-revolutions-become-cool/ musing on the post-everything world. Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:03:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: jonathan http://jonathanperrodin.com/2009/11/when-revolutions-become-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-311 jonathan Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:26:08 +0000 http://jonathanperrodin.com/?p=1068#comment-311 I think the trouble isn't about having a lack of good ideas, but the lack of comprehensive application of wisdom--my belief in Christ & the revelation of the Bible tells me that it is a matter of the heart and not the brain. It isn't about more head knowledge but a the transformation of the person. In defense of Peter, having heard him speak about ikon, I know he tries to evoke transformation through the events. I think the trouble isn’t about having a lack of good ideas, but the lack of comprehensive application of wisdom–my belief in Christ & the revelation of the Bible tells me that it is a matter of the heart and not the brain. It isn’t about more head knowledge but a the transformation of the person.
In defense of Peter, having heard him speak about ikon, I know he tries to evoke transformation through the events.

]]> By: Mark Van Steenwyk http://jonathanperrodin.com/2009/11/when-revolutions-become-cool/comment-page-1/#comment-310 Mark Van Steenwyk Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:08:07 +0000 http://jonathanperrodin.com/?p=1068#comment-310 Great reflection. I like how you ask: "what if emergent wasn’t cool any more or worse it became the norm. What if we took the insurrection to the share cropper or the day labourer—would they care what Zizek has to say about how God is dead and everything depends on us?" I think, perhaps, one of the reasons I offended people on Peter's blog was that, underneath it all, I was questioning the sort of radical activity that can grow up out of an intellectually-driven pub tour. Yes, I know it has a place. But, to me, it's place shouldn't be central. Peter (like Zizek) is probably a Marxist. Marxists (to grossly generalize here) tend to put a lot of stock on the intelligentsia, rather than on the laborer. Revolutionary change, then, would come from the cultural creatives and academics. Though I resonate with Marxist critiques of capitalism, I am trying to learn to be a good anarchist. And even though I myself am part of the intelligentsia as well, I want to recognize that any true liberatory movement--any real "insurrections" and "revolutions" (violent or nonviolent) should begin in the margins. That is why I believe it is important for me and my ilk to adopt a posture of penitential solidarity with the oppressed so that we may be a part of liberation. Great reflection. I like how you ask: “what if emergent wasn’t cool any more or worse it became the norm. What if we took the insurrection to the share cropper or the day labourer—would they care what Zizek has to say about how God is dead and everything depends on us?”

I think, perhaps, one of the reasons I offended people on Peter’s blog was that, underneath it all, I was questioning the sort of radical activity that can grow up out of an intellectually-driven pub tour. Yes, I know it has a place. But, to me, it’s place shouldn’t be central.

Peter (like Zizek) is probably a Marxist. Marxists (to grossly generalize here) tend to put a lot of stock on the intelligentsia, rather than on the laborer. Revolutionary change, then, would come from the cultural creatives and academics.

Though I resonate with Marxist critiques of capitalism, I am trying to learn to be a good anarchist. And even though I myself am part of the intelligentsia as well, I want to recognize that any true liberatory movement–any real “insurrections” and “revolutions” (violent or nonviolent) should begin in the margins.

That is why I believe it is important for me and my ilk to adopt a posture of penitential solidarity with the oppressed so that we may be a part of liberation.

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